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April 2006

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Arborfield apprentices
Canadian Army
Copyright ownership
Royal Hibernian Military School
Royal Military Asylum


Arborfield apprentices
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1 April 2006

I was interested to read your article on the internet, and was particularly interested in the photo of Arborfield Apprentices VE day 1945. I recognised most of the faces but could name only a few after the ones you mentioned;  Drag Dalaway-Chic Adams?- Roger Hickson (my brother-in law who is now deceased unfortunately). Briefly: I was Sept 1944 intake C Coy. Shortly after passing out I was posted to East Africa along with Roger who had joined our intake on his return from Woolwich Arsenal. I then spent four years as battalion armourer with the Northern Rhodesia Regiment serving in various parts of EA.  Final posting to command workshop Nairobi 1953-1955. Left REME in 1955 and joined the Rhodesian Army 1955-1963 (Chief Armourer). Left Rhodesia in 1963 on the break up of the federation of Rhodesia and Nyasaland and tried Vancouver for a short while. Returned to England and worked for a year at the Royal Aircraft Establishment Farnborough. Joined RNZEME in 1965 and retired 1978 as DADEME Field Force, meeting up with many ex boys along the way. Was the photo of the Woolwich Arsenal selection?

Spencer Bennett

2 April 2006

Thanks for the contact. I'm always pleased to hear from ex-Arborfield rats. I don't spend a great deal of time chit-chatting on the Army Apprentice site. John C (Peat) Moss, roped me in to edit some of his writing efforts, which means I do get to look at the site frequently (he's just posted a review of Peter Gripton's book that I went over for him). It was John who asked me to write a piece for the site, which explains how it got there. The image to which you refer came to me from one of many correspondents with whom I'm in contact re. to my own website. It's from the AA chat site. Jim (43A), who I don't know and who can't place me though we both played the clarinet under Bandmaster Nell, said the two PSIs in the picture were Drag Dalloway of the South Staffs and Jack Plume of the KOSBs, though the boy in the centre was Walter Stark (2548205 – which number makes him of 43A intake also), last seen as a PFC in the U.S. Army. So, that's about all we've been able to identify so far.

Art


Canadian Army
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6 April 2006

Art (with reference to document sent for analysis) I have highlighted passages I can't decipher. I know what CRASS is. I feared a copy by airmail would lose definition.

19 April 2006

Wayne, your note and the photocopy of the document (in two halves but, I believe, a single sheet) came today. You're inviting comment on those lines highlighted with a yellow marker, so here goes although it's worth noting one thing strikes me as odd. See below.

This document appears to be a service record that must have replaced the AB64, service record book that every soldier carried. Perhaps, however, this HQ 1772-39-1648 form was prepared for 'army records', so the soldier wouldn't normally have a copy. The first highlighted block was a categorization of the soldier's medical state enlistment. The YOB (year of birth) for Beazley is, of course, 1928. His enlistment date being 14 Oct 1947 would make him 18 years of years in 1947. The FULHEMS were medical ratings with 1 standing for 'Fit'. I'm afraid I don't know what each heading stood for, but obviously the work of some very clever fellow with a bent for anagrams. By cc to my colleague who served in the RAMC he might recognize those F U L H E M S column headings (Do they mean anything to you, Peter? This is a Canadian form, not British Army). One thing for sure is that this soldier did not serve in WWII. It's obvious from this document that he enlisted 14 October 1947 and left the Army in 1954. That I can tell you was his signing on for 7 and 5, which was 'Seven years with the colours and five with the reserve. The transfer (special employment) entry is what it says: 16 October 1947 assigned to the 14th Transport Company with the Royal Canadian Army Service Corps (the RCASC abbr. you understand anyway). He qualified as a Corporal (from Acting Corporal see 3rd line from the top) under the authority of EC3610 - N10/1(B) DO 11/53 - this reference is, I imagine, from some military filing system.

Next line: His regimental no. was changed from F563206 to F568377 effective 28 February (111 Coy) 9/54. (This is the oddity to which I referred above. Once a soldier had a regimental number he was stuck with it for all time. It did not change with a change of rank. The fact that the No. change on the second line is entered in hand means the hw entries were made when this soldier was discharged from the army. I have no explanation for the change. It doesn't make sense.) On the casualty line is the hw entry Cpl (short for corporal) 7 October 1948 (DO 13/48) This last entry in parenthesis probably means Daily Orders, the 13/48 being some sequential numbering system. The final highlighted 1S-01 2(a) is simply a reference to the para. and probably sub-para. of army regulations under which the man was discharged. Although the Canadian Army used the same Manual of Military Law in use in the British Army, it had its own regulations as distinct from military law. To do a paper trail to research the particular passage would be an expensive proposition. That's all I can tell you. Not much. A pretty undistinguished document if you ask me. I hope it's of some help.

Art


Copyright ownership
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4 April 2006

Google has been notified, according to the terms of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), that some of your webpages allegedly infringe upon the copyrights of others. The URLs of the allegedly infringing webpages may be found at the end of this message. The notice that we received, with any personally identifying information removed, may be found at http://www.chillingeffects.org/notice.cgi?sID=1186

Please note that it may take several weeks for the notice to be posted on the above page. For this reason, we have attached a copy of the notice for your reference.

The DMCA is a United States copyright law that provides guidelines for online service provider liability in case of copyright infringement. We are in the process of removing from our Google Web Search results the webpages that allegedly infringe upon the copyrights of others. If we did not do so, we would be subject to a claim of copyright infringement, regardless of its merits. See http://www.educause.edu/Browse/645?PARENT_ID=254 for more information about the DMCA, and see http://www.google.com/dmca.html for the process that Google requires in order to make a DMCA complaint.

Google can reinstate these webpages into its web search results upon receipt of a counter notification pursuant to sections 512(g)(2) and (3) of the DMCA. For more information about the requirements of a counter notification, and a link to a sample counter notification, see http://www.google.com/dmca.html#counter

If you have legal questions about this notification, you should retain your own legal counsel. If you have any other questions about this notification, please let us know.

The affected URLs are listed below: http://www.achart.ca/york/scenes.htm
http://www.achart.ca/york/headmaster.htm

The Google Team

Attached notice: The copyright work at issue is the page of photographs that appear on http://www.achart.ca highlighted on the page and marked in the list of items on that page dated 1950 Scenes from school life. I have asked the webmaster to remove this page from his website but he refuses, having put it there without my permission although he states in the first sentence that I have done so. He has not produced any proof that I gave him permission. The photograph (sic) on that page are my copyright. The only way he will remove them is if I pay 300 Canadian dollars. I am not prepared to do that. A colleague of his telephoned him and asked him to cooperate because I had given him much information for the previous page of text called "1949 A headmaster's life at the school" which I sent him on behalf of my husband who has poor eyesight and cannot read now. He is nearly 93. That page is copyrighted with a colophon but this man did not add a colophon to my page when he put it on his website without my permission. If I had wished to do (sic) have it posted on his website I would have added a colophon to make sure it was copyrighted, too.
I may add that I was informed about the comments he made about me on that telephone call which were extremely unpleasant and very abusive but, of course, I was not able to overhear them myself.

I enclose the obligatory passages you require in your message to me although I am resident in the United Kingdom and the website concerned is in Canada. "I have in good faith belief that use of the copyrighted material described above on the allegedly infringing webpages is not authorised by the copyright owner, its agent or the law. I swear under penalty of perjury consistent with the United States Code Title 17, Section 512, that the information in the notification Is (sic) accurate and that I am the copyright owner or am authorised to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive right that is allegedly infringed." (Mrs) Vera Low [Signed]

5 April 2006

This submission is in response to Google copyright complaint #52615532 dated 3 April 2006. In accordance with advice of legal counsel, the writer of this response has no intention of filing a counter claim. Instead, this rebuttal is offered without prejudice.

The alleged infringement of copyright as defined in the complainant's statement of complaint is without foundation in fact. Be it noted that the complainant makes reference only to the photographs appearing at URL http://www.achart.ca/york/scenes.htm, not to  http://www.achart.ca/york/headmaster.htm. The facts of the case are as herein stated.

1.  On the complainant's sole initiative, an exchange of correspondence between the complainant and this writer began in the fall of 2005. The exchange resulted in the complainant agreeing to facilitate the answering of questions addressed to said complainant's spouse, a former headmaster and educationist. In the opinion and experience of this writer (see Item 6 following), the answers provided to questions asked and all subsequent information provided constitute an interview over which the complainant can exercise no copyright ownership.

2.  The complainant provided all photographic images to illustrate the writing project to which the complainant was privy and fully involved. In the communication following, the complainant freely acknowledges the provenance of the photographs to which copyright ownership is now claimed and which is central to the complainant's objection, viz,

From: Vera Lowe [mailto:v.lowe@btinternet.com]
Sent: October 29, 2005 6:58 PM
To: 'A. W. Cockerill'
Subject: RE: Photographs etc. etc.

     I am busy with the photographs and will put them in one folder if that would be useful. There are about a dozen but you could choose those you want because a few are very similar. They are press photos, I have to say, so whether it is a problem with copyright, I am not sure, but the UK ones are War Office press and the Paris ones are French press. [Italics added.] One might get away with that!! (Vera Lowe).

     Comment: The contradiction between the above passage and the claimant's declaration of copyright ownership is obvious, unethical in its significance and verging on the deceitful. War Office press photographs are available to the public. Physical ownership of War Office press photographs does not constitute ownership of copyright by the holder. Further, the complainant's statement '...you could choose those you want...' confirmed agreement to unrestricted use of the images.

3.  The distinctive emblem or colophon of which the complainant writes is not the complainant's provenance. To the contrary, the colophon is this writer's creation and, therefore, ownership. The complainant's help is acknowledged in both pieces. The articles are no different from those published in any information medium and, as such, copyright ownership of 'distinctive emblem' and presentation are vested in the creator.

4.  The 'removal fee', which is non-sequitar to the grievance, is legitimate compensation for the time spent in creating and posting the material in question and was set to dissuade this complainant from constant carping.

5.  As equally divorced from the case as the removal fee, but germane to the nuisance caused, is the complainant's self-confessed and unfortunate history of tetchiness towards editors in the handling of material submitted to them for publication. Such statements as "We are not in the business of seeking publicity for self-glorification. It may be old-fashioned but we are the sort of people that like to acknowledge other people’s contributions to a cause as well as our own" betray the same attitude as the missionary Dr. Albert Schweitzer whose penchant for 'backing into the limelight' was a matter of public notice.

6.  As to my credentials as a writer and editor, please see the attached. Having conducted head of state interviews (see, http://www.achart.ca/publications/interview.html) one is very well aware of the provisions of the International Copyright Convention of which the U.S.A., Canada and the United Kingdom are signatories. This writer contends that the concerns of this complainant are in the nuisance category. Further, the complainant was advised that a letter written in French could not be published because its copyright was owned by the writer or the writer's heirs, which demonstrates the exercise of editorial judgement.

7.  The www has much in common with other forms of information media: books, journals, newspapers. Correspondents are well aware that anything communicated to the media is subject to publication. Visitors to the website in question, http://www.achart.ca website, are advised to this effect.

The writer has no objection to Google sharing this response with the complainant. It will in any case be posted in the regular correspondence feature of the website. One hereby affirms that the subject pages of the complaint are the writer's copyright ownership as well as in the public domain for use by others with the usual courtesy of attribution. 


Royal Hibernian Military School
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6 April 2006

You might recall that in October 2003 we corresponded about the records of the Royal Hibernian Military School. I have finally got round to printing a section of the letter you wrote me as a formal 'Note' in The Irish Sword; and it is my agreeable duty to send you herewith a copy of Irish Sword No. 97, which contains this on page 347. Should you have new material on the Royal Hibernian Military School, or on any other relevant subject, for which The Irish Sword might provide a suitable home, do please let me know.

Dr. Kenneth Ferguson, Editor


Royal Military Asylum
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(Continuing correspondence)

Julia, I was checking for missing pages and discovered that as I had indexed the images and failed to transfer his page to my working file. The detail is

WO143/80 RAM admissions 1880-1920; Entry No 11228, Samuel Victor MOLYNEAUX b 14/06/1887; admitted 04/10/1898 aged 10 years 4 months; Education Standard M2 ( I am still working on this); Father, Deceased at the time of admission; Sergeant Samuel of the South Lancashire Regiment; Mother, Elizabeth, alive at admission; SUM Volunteered to the Army Ordnance Corps 15/06/1901 age 14 years and 1 day. I hope that this helps you in your research whilst you await a response from the Duke of York's School.

Peter

8 April 2006

Lynn, Thanks for the contact. Sorry about the delayed reply. A .pdf of the three entries for your records together with an image of the RMA and explanation of the entry titles. Write to
Lt. Col R Say. Bursar, The Duke of Yorks School, Dover. Kent

As the records are so old, there is no guarantee that they still exist. However, state your relationship, the Boy's names, ages on admission and date, The boys parents, and the father's Regiment. Any other personal details that you have collected on each boy. Please let me know of the outcome. This is the first triple family entry from so far back, we would be interested in a follow on article contact my opposite number in Canada achart@sympatico.ca  if you have any ephemera or life details.

Peter

8 April 2006

Peter, thanks for the reply, I will write to the address that you have given me. Samuel James Stowell was my great great grandfather on my mother's side, Philip James was his eldest son and all I know about him is that he married in 1892 in St Albans and that he was a musician in the band of the Scots Guards in the 1891 census. My great grandfather was S J's 2nd child, born whilst serving in Ireland with the Kings Dragoon Guards. S. J. then moved to the Ayrshire Yeomanry in July 1872, where he had 2 more children and died of a tubercle of the brain in 1876. The only information I know about his father is the details that I found on your site. I hope that this is of interest to you and I will let you know if I get
any records back.

Lynn Lyons (daughter of Barbara Stowell)


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